mission to teach religion why you should care about humans. this is why you should . only. go three years ago president obama was awarded the nobel peace prize about what's changed since he received the person who just award from drone attacks to shadow war isn't a secret assassination last r.t. questions of the nobel peace prize was a mistake. the u.s. loves to use drones and warfare overseas but that important part department of homeland security believes the high attack flying machines can be an asset to law enforcement here in the u.s. we'll take a look at drones that you drone use here in america and the move to smaller many

drones. and we often talk here at r r t about being tracked online and followed by surveillance cameras here in the u.s. there is a new area of big brother is starting to watch you look inside the growing state of surveillance inside our schools. it's tuesday october ninth four pm here in washington d.c. i'm liz wahl and you're watching r t well three years ago today president barack obama became a nobel peace prize winner it was early on in his presidency and many were wondering what exactly he did to deserve the prestigious award president obama himself seems surprised here's a clip of his acceptance speech i would be remiss if i did not acknowledge the considerable controversy that your generous decision has generated.

in part this is because i am at the beginning and not the end of my labors on the world stage compared to some of the giants of history who have received this prize . sweitzer and king marshal and mandela. my accomplishments are slight. so here we are three years later and what exactly has he done since he won the prize they've been fighting a war in afghanistan for more than a decade and the u.s. has been at the forefront of using and expanding drone warfare the practice is controversial to say the least with civilian deaths breeding anti-american sentiment abroad and our producers here at r.t. did some digging to find out just how many civilians were killed during president obama's time in office between october two thousand and nine and december two thousand and eleven one thousand three hundred eighty five civilians were killed by

u.s. forces and during that time there were one thousand one hundred forty nine united states military casualty is and these figures don't include civilians and others that died indirectly and of course these numbers don't include deaths and casualties that happened in two thousand and twelve or so-called militants that were killed with figures like that we ask has the noble peace prize winner really promoted peace has he really strengthen international cooperation to discuss i'm joined by colonel morris retired air force attorney and professor now at howard university law school welcome her and also here we are it three years later the nobel peace prize winner lived up to that title megyn the selection committee regrets making that decision three years ago today certainly in that with there going there fav picking president obama who believes the only nobel peace prize winner with the coolest. seems to be contradicting there do you think that maybe they just kind of jumped the gun and had just these high expectations that he

didn't fulfill we know a lot of folks at the time critics said that they were premature that the president just taking office when he was selected for the war he really haven't accomplished anything yet and perhaps he would earn it later but it was premature and a lot of folks speculated that it was that optimism for what president obama's election represented and certainly if it comes to talking the talk he can certainly talk to. talk talk the talk but can he walk the walk i'm not sure that people would say that he cared and it was sort of a the record of the last three years has shown as you talked about earlier the drone program which is not just a military program there's also a cia drone program that i'm not aware of any international law that permits the president to send a civilian agency out to kill people in other countries. targeted assassination program where american citizens the president can designate them for assassination without trial so you just a number of steps of the past three years really undermine the whole principle that

alfred nobel intended when he donated his the state to charity and eight hundred ninety six to give an award to someone who promotes peace and we do have a press release from the nobel prize committee when they when they are. nominated him for this. here it is it says the norwegian nobel committee has decided that the nobel peace prize for two thousand and nine is to be awarded to president barack obama for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples the committee has attached special importance to obama's vision of and work for a world without nuclear weapons so they pointed to his extraordinary efforts i don't know when he had time to fulfill those efforts but i mean would you characterize his efforts as extraordinary even three years later well if you're just judging by talk then yes it's been some extraordinary talk about the rule of law and respect for sovereignty and diplomacy and all the things that we tend to do

the opposite of what we said you know he gave a stirring speech in december two thousand and nine when he went to oslo and accepted the award about american values and principles and how that sets us apart from our adversaries and that we're the standard bearer you know for those principles and that we compromise our own values and we turn our backs on them and he also said that applies not only when it's easy but especially when it's hard and apparently wasn't too long afterwards he decided it was too hard for us to live up to those principles well speaking of that speech i do want to play a clip now of it let's take a listen we must begin by acknowledging the hard truth we will not eradicate violent conflict in our lifetime. there will be times when nations acting individually or in concert will find the use of force not

only necessary but morally justified. ok so we did very as there he had made it at the time that violence would sometimes be necessary and he said that sometimes violence is morally justified now looking at his actions would you call the violence that has played out you know these drone strikes in pakistan or afghanistan are they morally justified i don't think so and it's not just me you know former president jimmy carter who himself is a nobel peace prize winner in two thousand and two had an op ed in the new york times this past june where he talked about particular with the arab spring emerging democracies of america ought to be setting the example and we are setting an example but it's a bad example and we're not living up to the principles that we espouse to others and that we claim we hold dear when we have programs like our drone program to ten percent. of the pakistani people have a favorable opinion of america and three quarters consider america to be their

enemy so if the objective is to win hearts and minds and to set an example i don't think the program in pakistan is the cheapest go now as some might argue that the president inherited these violent policies from his predecessor and he did work toward getting the united states away from that the winding down of the wars in people the troops from iraq he's bound to pull the troops from afghanistan what do you say to that well you're right he did in some of these programs in fact in august of two thousand and eight when he accepted the democratic nomination to run for president he said john mccain we may want to embrace the bush policies but i'm going to make change and we're going to plot a new course and regain our moral authority and our moral standing and here we are today four years after that and our moral authority is probably eroded more than it's been restored. beyond these drone strikes some more of the peaceful efforts of the obama administration or that he vowed to make for example the closing of

a. and that has not happened we're at the end of his first term right now is that on obama he's suddenly executive order on january twenty second two thousand and nine ordering that the facility be closed not less than one year later and that date has come and gone long ago i know some people would tend to blame congress for his failure to close guantanamo but he's the commander in chief so i think it's just been a lack of will not a lack of opportunity on his part and i want to go back to when i read that the part of the press release where they they hailed obama for a strengthening international diplomacy especially in the wake of recent events we have the assassination of our ambassador over in libya and we saw these anti-american protests so i mean would you say that international diplomacy has been strengthened i don't think it has i mean that was certainly if you look at the problems we're facing with terrorism it's a global problem not just a u.s.

problem so there needs to be greater global cooperation but we've got to have this go it alone attitude and if we're not satisfied with what you're doing we'll send a drone and do it ourselves it was interesting you know when ambassador stevens' body came home on september fourteenth and president obama went out to andrews air force base he talked about american values and principles and said that the individuals that died gave their lives defending those principles and the u.s. would remain a light into the world all right now we're being a warning why not a guiding light. all right and you know this isn't the first time the nobel peace prize winner has the legitimacy of that has come into question there was henry kissinger yasser arafat they're both previous winners also that decision was controversial now a lot of people are saying president obama perhaps didn't deserve it do you think that this is something that the committee were gratz i would assume that they do i don't know how you can look at the past three years since the award was stowed upon

president obama and feel good about the choice that you made remember alfred nobel when he set up this prize that was to recognize the individual that most distinguished themselves by promoting peace and winding down armies in conflict i don't think he envisioned the drone program in a kill list well here so here he is running for election do you think he could redeem himself if he were to get reelected and he deserving of that prize i hope so and you know you hear people say that well in a second term it will be a reelection and he can actually fulfill the promises about principles that he talked about in two thousand and eight but if you recall george bush when they said read my lips no new taxes voted out of office for not keeping his promise i mean i saw president obama's lips move and say i'm going to close guantanamo i'm going to end military commissions and i'm going to restore america's moral standing in the eyes of the world. i guess we'll have to wait and fear if he gets re-elected if he

can live up to this this prize or well i don't see mitt romney getting nominated at all so he was certainly it could be a change for the worse you know he said he will restore torture he'll increase kuantan the most right kind of really appreciate you coming on the show that was colonel morris davis retired air force attorney and professor at the howard university school of law. well bigger may not be better at least when it comes to drones that apartment of homeland security is now working on downsizing drones making them smaller and sleeker according to wired it's being tested now in fort sill oklahoma it's part of homeland security's program called robotic aircraft for public safety it's compact size would allow servicemen to launch the drones by hand sending them to hover for thirty minutes to two hours at a time to talk more about what exactly these mini drones are capable of i am joined now by amy stefan of associate litigation counsel for epic gave me welcome how are

you doing well thank you so these drones they are getting smaller is this practical or scary well you normally you i mean look at historically speaking we have aircraft airplanes helicopters very large vehicles in the air conducting aerial surveillance that's what we're used to we can look up we can see them they make very loud noises where aware when we're under some sort of aerial surveillance most of the time as drones get smaller not only are they going to get quieter not only are they going to be able to maneuver maybe a lot better but they're also going to get into places and be able to surveil areas where aerial vehicles weren't able to do before so they may be able to get right up next to a large building on the twenty thirty floor building and look into the water discretely kind of just cover you know that the endo and doing a little bit more on the on the down low so i mean drones already are being called into question for possibly violating privacy so does this make that even more

possible and more controversial in terms of our privacy i think it really does i mean there are no laws out there right now that protect privacy from the use of drones and as this technology gets more available as people start adopting it a lot more the standards that are out there say that the people adopt the technology more the police will be able to do more and more with the d.h. s. will be able to do more and more with it without needing a warrant so we're. entering an age where everything that we do even possibly down the road in our own homes could be subject to unwarranted police surveillance and i think that's kind of not where we want this country to go those aren't the principles this country was founded on so we're looking at trying to get some sort of regulations put into place to say that drone surveillance can't lead to this future all right we have a company like raytheon they're manufacturing these small drones and they're saying you know what these drones are smaller so they can be less deadly and more efficient because they can pinpoint their targets more efficiently and to kill less

people what do you think about that well in the united states thankfully at the moment we're not worried about them killing people we're much more worried about them surveilling people however there are police departments that have expressed interest in having rubber bullets having tear gas possibly having deadly weapons on the drones in the future and that's not in the cards right now that's going to be a little down the road however they are able to target surveillance targets better too so if some they want to keep an eye on a suspected criminal or maybe even just somebody they want to retaliate against somebody who may have gone to a protest and spoken out against a policy or department and they want to keep an eye on that person they're able to do that much more efficiently and i think that not a great thing actually because the new you see that the surveillance goes on and on and on and they feel like they can do that without ever going to a quarter having any checks put on that so do you see this being a common and widespread tool of local law enforcement i see it coming that way

based on the many many. police departments in the country that are using that already based on the fact that everybody else many other departments have expressed interest in using this tool i think it's coming to a point where this is going to be just another kind of tool in the arsenal of surveillance methods that police have at their disposal and i think that without the necessary. rules put into place that it can really become a violation to everybody's rights well and you know and as these get smaller they also get more affordable so does that then make it even more likely to become more widespread igs it does and like i said because of the legal standard we have in place right now the common law of the united states when people when these things when this technology starts becoming more available to people it's able to be used more by police so drones are able to carry gigapixel cameras hundred times more powerful than a normal camera they have infrared technology they can see through walls they

really can surveil like no other aerial method before because they were built to conduct surveillance that's why the hell they were designed so as this technology becomes more common people become to buy it more and it's cheaper and they can but they can buy it more then police are going to continue to use it and more and more invasive waves right i mean how can we expect the public to react to this thankfully the public has reacted very negatively to the police use of drones a study came out recently i actually thought it was it was quite funny because the headlines say that almost half of the people are ok with with the use of drones for police surveillance however with the headline should have said was over fifty percent of the population are not ok with police using drones to surveil other people and in the united states in fact that study showed that only thirty five percent of people were kind of ok with the police use of this technology and as

people are more and more educated we're seeing more and more people speak out against the use of drone technology for law enforcement all right so a lot of people are not happy with the drone hovering in our skies whether they're big or small what can we do to stop the proliferation of them what we have to go back to congress and we have to go to the f.a.a. we have to tell people that we don't want this technology in our airspace and if it's going to come any way we want it to be. one place with very rigid restrictions and the ability for people who when a company or one law enforcement violate those restrictions somebody can go to court and somebody can take them and hold them to task that there has to be accountability built into this so sense it's kind of a relatively new technology it's you're saying these protections are just not there they're not there yet in fact chess which has the largest drone program in the country they are doing the public safety quote unquote public safety program with the small drones they also c.b.p. which is the customs and border protection of bureau of v.h.s. has eleven predator drones that they operate on the borders huge amount of drones

operated by d.h.s.s. and they haven't even conducted a privacy impact assessment this is the baseline level just to see how privacy is impacted by their use of the technology they haven't even looked that far into it let alone put regulations in the place so we see that. looks like small drones are on the horizon but that doesn't mean that the big massive drones that we've reported on are necessarily going away no they're still here too and you're going to see drones of all shapes and sizes in the next ten years unless we can stop them boy it sounds kind of scary thank you so much for telling us all about them that was a mr bonaventure sociality geisha in council for ethic. oh big brother will now be taught at a school near you cross the country schools are finding ways to track and monitor students inside and outside the classroom the techniques range from chips imbedded in school id cards to g.p.s. systems installed in computers tracking students every move to actual surveillance

cameras and it's happening in texas these are the i.d.'s students are required to carry that have tracking traps bill right into them so teachers know where their students are at all times all schools say the measures will help make kids safer but is it just going too far to discuss this i'm joined now by our team lead producer andrew blake who just covered this story extensively our web site hi andrew who is said to have you here my pleasure so tell us more about these microchips. idea radio frequency identification chips and they're used to pretty regular i mean i have one of my pocket right now and if you have a new york state you know it's going to collect i mean and i don't really want to take up my driver's license and hold a flyer at that understand but we do have one in there and i use it because i was born in new york state i used to cross the border all the time i have an hour of id chip in mine just that when i cross over they know who i am and they can go and they can scan it and they can instantly pull up my file you know think of like a q.r. code that you see out of

a street somewhere. in same same concept in schools you want to be able to chronicle as much data as you can about someone to justify some sort of good at least that you know it's that's what they're doing it for in the case of texas we have a school district there where two schools so far this year have forced the students to wear these badges that have the cards inside of them and they using it as a means of tracking the students so that they can try to try to cut down on the rampant truancy that's happening right there because a lot of school districts if you're not having kids showing up the states are going to pay for the schools the states are going to stop funding them. and this i believe it's northside district in texas includes san antonio i believe they believe that these two schools are at their leaving are losing upwards of one hundred seventy five thousand dollars a day in funding because students just aren't showing up to the class and the teachers can't keep track of them so they figured ok well if we know where the students are at all times you know they're going to be held accountable we'll know

if they're in the class will make sure we will have accurate numbers as we possibly can and will be able to get that funding we'll be able to know where everyone is and it's great if you know you want to make sure that you're sending your child to a school where you're going to get the best education that the states will be able to afford but at the same time yes instantly we're seeing all these privacy concerns just start on mounting up and they're being addressed in texas but unfortunately not necessarily in the best way we have a case just recently where one student. she rejected this idea she said i'll carry a badge on me you know i have my name you can have my photo but i don't want to be tracked around the school because you can from anywhere up to one hundred feet away they can just buzz you in on a radio and they can find out like within a couple of inches where you are in the building and it's you know kind of this gives people the heebie jeebies. students do not have a choice well this isn't this is a mandate and we're seeing the students and parents are starting to revolt slowly

but surely but so far the school district isn't really that concerned about their complaints we have one case of a girl who said that it would violate her religious beliefs to be tracked consistently throughout the day and also obviously beliefs yes i mean pry i understand privacy concerns and constitutional hall there is about a legist comes a mark of the beast to have this you know unknowing on her at all times she said you know my religion doesn't stand for it and i don't want to have it and the school said ok this is what we're going to do you can go ahead you can have your regular old id badge but we're going to start implementing this all the way through and there are going to be repercussions and some of the. and so we're already seeing that if they don't have their id trips they're being told they can't check out library books they can't pay for their lunches in the cafeteria they can't go into certain classrooms and i have one case in texas where someone was told that they couldn't vote for homecoming king and queen because they didn't have their card on them so i don't want to say that it's only now they're taking away the

rights to vote because this is just a high school obviously but it isn't anything like that are important right or maybe it's you know not really but we're seeing a lot of problems here and yes in texas they think that every year because if they can adjust this truancy problem in the just lack of substantial attendance figures they can pull in the like two million dollars a year in state funding but meanwhile they've got six thousand students and they know where they are at all times all the time and it's kind of freaking people out and there's a lot of concerns not just about like well i just don't want to be tracked it kind of has as you would imagine like a chilling effect on how people are going to associate with one another like for example let's say let's say i know you're a good kid in school right well so you know he hung out with a couple of so some are some undesirables right now if you're hanging out in the hallway with a couple of kids who are up to no good but you obviously are keeping yourself being

nice and polite and stuff like that the school still going to know all that was well she's hanging out with those bad kids she must be up to no good i must be up to no good yeah and so people are going to pick where they hang out with are going to pick which extracurricular activities they participate in because maybe some people don't want every authority figure in the school to know that they are involved in like let's say like a lesbian rights group like i was in high school or like i went to the poetry circle maybe i don't want people knowing i went to the poetry circle i guess it's too late to set it on international television but i thought you should have been proud of that thank you but. a lot of people though have their concerns they don't want everyone to know where they are they're worried that it's going to come back down on them and they're going to be ridiculed and we're already seeing they're being disqualified from participating and in school wide votes being disqualified from picking up their lunches and being told that no you come back when you can prove who you are with a computer chip and it has a lot of people uncomfortable all right now so as far as i know this is only in

texas right there's a couple of cases of it happening in texas there are actually a few companies who market these devices for schools or institutes all over the world but the case that we're seeing right now is in this one school board in texas and it's being tried out in two schools one elementary school one high school impacting roughly around six thousand people but right now it is just a pilot program and is this just a guinea pig in other words could we see this happen if this country and other schools if this takes off they're expecting within like a couple of years to have advance in texas and impact around one hundred thousand students and one hundred twenty two different schools and of course as you know it's going to be a slippery slope if we see it working here are you going to work where you cardwell what happens next it's a very good question here somewhere out there is actually i saw someone saying online that it just prepare students for the real world where they go and a real worry and also it and they are constantly monitor the real world i went to school and any way of changing lives are a change and that much is true and your pleasure as always and also check out

stories on our website our you know dot com slash usa is our producer andrew blake that's going to do it up for the news but the capital account is up next on our t.v. let's check in with our listener to see what is on today's agenda lauren highway as well the international monetary fund came out today downgrading its global growth estimates all over the world actually the one as to that upgraded was the u.s. but we will definitely question what is baked into those assumptions as the i am that offers its bleakest outlook actually of global of growth since the two thousand and nine recession. but the quote. is the i.m.f. late to the party because our guest today says they absolutely are has been on this show saying the u.s. is already in recession other guest saying one has already been baked into the cake so we'll talk about the i.m.f. global growth assessment we're also going to look at jobs because those numbers are still making headlines but we're going to really dive into how they may be manipulated not the way it's been said right learn thanks for that update that is

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